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hello

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and welcome to episode number 14 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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for almost as long as human beings have

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been looking up

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and spotting strange aerial vehicles

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making astonishing maneuvers in our

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skies

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people have been reporting a parallel

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experience that in most people's minds

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is even stranger i speak of direct

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contact with the supposed intelligence

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controlling these advanced craft

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sometimes the contact comes in the form

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of remote telepathic communication

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where human beings find themselves being

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communicated with by an apparently

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non-human intelligence

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not immediately present other times

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non-human entities seem to appear in

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person as it

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were wherever an experiencer is making

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the event all the more concrete

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of course the most depending on your

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famous or infamous type of contact

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is in the form most commonly referred to

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as abduction

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this kind of event involves human beings

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being taken

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often reportedly against their will and

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under a form of paralysis

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and transported directly on board ufos

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i.e alien craft the means of this

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transportation

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often involves bizarre elements such as

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and the passing seamlessly and

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what is often termed the abduction

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phenomenon

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takes on an even stranger turn with the

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added consideration

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of an even more startling metric here i

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refer to the finding that many

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if not most of the people who have

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experienced such an event

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have come to realize sometimes on their

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and sometimes with the aid of tools such

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as hypnotic regression

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that these experiences are not isolated

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events

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but actually part of a repeating pattern

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often stretching well back into early

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sometimes even a history stretching

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across generations of genetic lines

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emerges even

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stranger than the revelation of this

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evidently

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alien intervention in the lives of

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reported thousands if not millions of

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people

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right around the planet is the reported

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nature of these contact events

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themselves

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these experiences are as utterly

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disorienting and paradigm

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shattering as they can be ultimately

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and transformative the sheer depth and

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richness of the experiences has led

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author and experiencer whitley strieber

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to refer to the experience as

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communion and like strieber contactees

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abductees are often left with artifacts

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such as missing time

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and bodily implants at the end of these

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let us be clear while these experiences

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can ultimately play a deeply

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transformative role

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in the lives of experiencers they are

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perhaps of necessity considering the

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reality bending nature of the

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information being conveyed

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also ontologically shocking and often

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perhaps there is no easy way to ease a

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human being

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into these kinds of revelations they

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effectively pull the rug out from

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underneath a person

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even if what's eventually put in its

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is something much richer and more

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to complicate matters further the

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expanded understanding of both

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self-identity and reality itself often

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discovered in these visits to the

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realm of the others even brings into

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our somewhat limited understanding as

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the nature of free will

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when a soul may have made participatory

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decisions

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about the nature of these interactions

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even before birth

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into a human body the dual nature of

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these contact experiences

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that are as soul-shakingly bewildering

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as they are ultimately

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illuminating and potentially deeply

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i'd like to begin this week's episode by

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reminding us all

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of the important role that experiencers

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play in our journey to

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understanding the phenomenon their role

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whether you refer to them as contactees

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abductees

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volunteers or what have you they are

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essential to this process

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we've discussed jacques valley before we

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know how important

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a role he believed these experiences

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play in understanding the phenomenon

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another person who has pointed to the

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important role experiencers play

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is canadian researcher grant cameron

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and i'd like to quote from something

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grant cameron wrote in a book called

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meet the hybrids by

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miguel mendonca and barbara lamb

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grant cameron wrote the forward to this

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book and i quote

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people identifying themselves as

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experiencers and hybrids

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are critical to solving the ufo mystery

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for the past 70 years we have logged ufo

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sightings in the sky

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but we are no further ahead than when we

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that is because very little can be

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learned by compiling statistics on color

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speed behavior and so on the only chance

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have to solve the ufo mystery is to talk

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to the people who have

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interacted with those behind the

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phenomena

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the government and military may know

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what is going on

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but they are not about to tell us

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experiencers and hybrids

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on the other hand will take us inside

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the craft and into the motivations

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intentions and behavior of the ets

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unquote now what's interesting about a

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person like grant

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cameron is he began as a quote unquote

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his journey began when he spotted a ufo

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with some friends

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in manitoba canada decades ago and that

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led him to a life of research where he

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looked into

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sightings meta materials the paper trail

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in government circles and whatnot

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but more recently he's had a turn of

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thinking a shift in perspective

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and i'd like to discuss what he talks

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about in regards to that

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further on in this forward to the book

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in 2012 i had a moment of insight that

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came with absolute certainty

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the message was simple it said that the

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solution to the ufo

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problem was connected to non-local

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and that idea is a big part of the

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message in this book

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in that moment of insight i was reminded

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that the canadian government

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had been told by american officials back

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in november 1950

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that mental phenomena were part of the

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flying saucer phenomenon

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i was reminded that a former defense

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official and later president of penn

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had told myself and others in 1991

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that esp was a key to the ufo phenomenon

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and that we would go nowhere without an

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understanding of it

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finally i was reminded that ben rich who

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headed lockheed skunk works

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had stated in 1993 that the mechanisms

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that facilitate esp

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are central to how ufo propulsion works

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suddenly my belief in the nuts and bolts

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of the ufo phenomena

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the double slit experiment i realized i

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now for those of you who've tuned in

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in some ways this is nothing new these

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additional confirmations but we've been

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and the connected modalities of the ufo

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phenomenon that describes something

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reality and the experience of

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is essential for us in understanding

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and from what we understand experiencers

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one of two kinds of uh experiences

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deeply transformative experiences or

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deeply traumatic experiences they're

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or frightening or someone might think

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both are true of almost all experiences

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in the introduction to this episode i

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mentioned whitley strieber

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now of course whitley strieber is one of

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our culture's most famous

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abductees contactees experiencers

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his book communion changed our entire

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culture's discussion

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in some ways it kicked it off the

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discussion of the abduction phenomenon

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at least it took it to an entirely

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different level and for thousands and

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seeing the front cover of his book

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changed everything it brought back

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memories of a figure that they too

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remembered startlingly now whitley

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many others he's written

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also along with his wife ann strieber

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put together a book called the communion

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puts the dual nature of the abduction

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experience which is again both

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transformative but also terrifying front

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for instance one letter was titled

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blessed beyond words and i think that

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in a nutshell and i'd like to quote from

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the letters offer us a remarkably pure

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means of understanding the message that

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these very strange others

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may be bringing us it is not a message

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that can be written on a billboard

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or explained in a few simple words but

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it is an astonishingly clear one

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nevertheless as we journey from one

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bizarre tale to the next

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an overall pattern emerges again and

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again

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the close encounter witness has his

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understanding of the world around him

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shattered he has revealed to himself in

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a new way

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the world around him ceases to sustain

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the familiar meaning

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by which he had defined it and becomes

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wrapped in mystery

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he is challenged by questions that he

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cannot bear

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and cannot answer again and again the

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plea will be made in these letters

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help me i'm confused i cannot understand

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there can be only one reason for such

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disorientation

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at the very deepest level of the mind so

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deep it is hard even to remember what

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happens there

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the visitors are inducing stress and it

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is

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attempt to drive the human unconscious

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insane obviously not an

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effort to harm us could be made without

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expanding anything like the resources

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that are being poured

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into the visitors work when species are

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stressed

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too much they collapse they go extinct

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slightly less stress and they evolve to

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meet the new conditions

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we have not yet received a letter

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reporting that mental illness has

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emerged from a close encounter

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so if the experience isn't dangerous but

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it is stressful

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what is the outcome of the stress again

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the letters make this clear the stress

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produces the most profound

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opening of the mind we have ever

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witnessed unquote

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now what whitley strieber is describing

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here sounds a lot like what

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we discussed in the episode on jacques

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villa's control system hypothesis

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in that episode we discussed jacques

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discussion

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of bf skinner's work around how you

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change a population how you

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what i'm suggesting in this podcast

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episode

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is that in addition to having our

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collective consciousness

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evolved by the parameters of something

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like a control system

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as described by jacques valley that the

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others are also working

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on us as individuals but on a mass scale

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perhaps a much larger scale than we are

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even aware of

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why would they do this i would suggest

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it's because

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we do not respond well as a collective

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not on a conscious way

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in fact when we respond as a collective

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we often respond as a mob

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and the lowest common denominator tends

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to rule

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so that means violence aggression fight

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or flight

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explains to me anyway why they may be

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working with us

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individually rather than as a collective

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that's part of the story anyway

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more to come but to really drive home

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the dual nature

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of these experiences the series of

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experiences

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that people have i think it's important

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to bring in

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a personal story sherry wilde is someone

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we've discussed

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in brief on previous podcasts she is an

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american experiencer

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who went from disbelief to trauma to

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awakening

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by the way if you'd like to know more

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about sherry wild's story it is depicted

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in a book called

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the forgotten promise rejoining our

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cosmic

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now sherry wild is someone who didn't

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think about aliens she didn't think

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about ufos

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she had no interest in that topic at all

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in fact

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and it wasn't until she had a regression

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one day that a flood of memories came

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back

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and she only had that regression because

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she had a

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series of experiences with missing time

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when her experiences were revealed to

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her she

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felt like a victim she said quote it

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pretty much destroyed my life

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blew it apart i could barely function my

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marriage came undone

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i'd had hundreds of experiences it was

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difficult for me to come to terms with

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it wasn't just the memories the way they

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come back

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these memories they literally explode in

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your head and you have these jarring oh

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my god that happened

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and then it started happening in real

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time she goes on to say

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i became aware that they were coming for

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me they were coming as many as five

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times a week

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very disruptive to my life a lot of my

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experiences happened during the day

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one day i remember driving down the

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street and it was noon

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lunch hour and in the blink of an eye i

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was

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side of the road

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and the sun was in a totally different

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place and i looked at

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the clock it was three o'clock and i

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mean no memory

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no nothing it's seamless the only thing

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you notice

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is that you're in this place and then

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all of a sudden you're in this other

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place

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and there's missing time and no memory

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it was very disturbing

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very very disruptive to my life and my

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marriage didn't survive it

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and my family almost didn't survive it i

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went to a lot of psychologists

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trying to get one of them to tell me i

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was insane

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i would rather have been diagnosed with

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a mental illness

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and be treated for that than to have to

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come to terms with the idea

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that i was being abducted by aliens

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unquote

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by the way what i just read was a

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transcript from a video interview

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done by ufo hub of sherry wilde and ufo

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hub has some great resources i'd highly

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recommend you check

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them out now when you reflect on what i

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just read

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regarding sherry wild's experiences

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whether coming for her

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five days a week sometimes in broad

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daylight in the middle of her work day

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does that sound exciting or enticing

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not really not for many people we

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completely understand why this would be

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considered

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very disruptive to her life imagine what

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this does to a family's life

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what is the spouse to say or children to

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say

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when the reality that we're taught about

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doesn't have any room for these kind of

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but from this point of deep trauma

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remember she went from initially

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not having memories at all she was

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having experiences for 20 some years

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and no conscious recall of what was

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happening

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eventually she did remember and then she

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really wanted to remember

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she sought out hypnotic regression and

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then the trauma came when she realized

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what was actually happening

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and it made her feel like a victim but

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eventually that perspective

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slowly but surely changed when she began

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to understand

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and remember more of the total story

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a story that purportedly goes back even

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now as the memories flooded back sherry

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began to recall interactions with all

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sorts of different

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beings different alien species that

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looked quite different from each other

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and they had different functions all

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working together on some of these alien

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craft

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but one figure stood out from the rest

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it was a figure she named da

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who looked like a grey alien it was a

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figure that had been with her

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since childhood since infant hood

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in fact she remembers having experiences

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with him

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lifetimes

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one day she asked him are you a gray you

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look like a gray

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and he replied that's just a container

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that i wear

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a lot of us are what you would call a

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spirit being we don't have a form

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a solid body but when we come into this

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world

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a body in order to do our work

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so we put on this container it's highly

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functional

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we're not formed creatures

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now again for those of you who've been

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tuning in to this podcast week to week

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this sounds somewhat familiar this

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reminds us of dr edgar mitchell's

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work on the quantum hologram and we

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discussed how

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creatures that are resonating with the

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quantum hologram at high levels

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would perhaps move beyond physical form

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that seems to be exactly what da the

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figure she called daw that wasn't his

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actual name he just had an energetic

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signature

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by which others would recognize him is

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now earlier on we discussed how these

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others were coming for her

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up to five times a week sometimes in the

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middle of her work day

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and of course this was very disruptive

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the question is

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why was so much intervention necessary

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well cherie wilde also goes on to

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understand why this was the case

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it was because she needed to remember

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she needed to be woken up in some ways

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to a reality she once

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understood and had agreed to had in fact

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volunteered for

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but had forgotten over time when she

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became

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swallowed up by the density of this

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world

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overall she says there are three things

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that these others

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stress to her number one we are

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all one with the creator that is most

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important

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if you heard another living thing you're

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hurting yourself

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there is no separation and she goes on

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to say this was the 1950s when she was

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going to sunday school and this was

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quite a revelation to her

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number two we are multi-dimensional

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beings existing on more than one level

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simultaneously moving towards unity

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consciousness

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number three it's important to monitor

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your thoughts

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this practice actually which is more

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common now and discussed by people like

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eckhart tolle and many other

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spiritual teachers was fairly uncommon

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in the 1950s

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but by doing what she was taught by dah

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and others it kept her from depression

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and anxiety

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now as we've already said it's important

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to listen to experiencers they have the

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message we all need to hear

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and as we begin to listen to different

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experiences

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and compare the different messages we

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notice a cohesion taking place

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what sherry wilde is saying fits well

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with the general consensus narrative

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that is emerging

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from a large segment of the experiencer

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community

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and what is the message number one life

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is spiritual

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not just materialist and this 3d plus

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one existence

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is a stage play of sorts where humans

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being human

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is only part of the story also

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everything is connected

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and everything is ultimately one

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separation

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is an illusion again taught in

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traditions like buddhism

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again another important part of the

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message is we are energy

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evolving and maturing as part of an

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alive

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now while sherry wilde has come to see

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her own experiences as

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deeply transformative and loving in

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nature

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with positive benevolent et's that she's

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known over lifetimes

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she makes an important distinction she

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believes that

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others sometimes do have experiences

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with less

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mature entities and these experiences

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can be perceived as negative

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and this is important for us to

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acknowledge while the consensus

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messaging coming out of the experiencer

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community is that

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almost all of these experiences are

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ultimately positive

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in the long run given enough time and

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perspective

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there is a subset that are perhaps

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negative that for some people

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even with time and reflection they do

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00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,840
not come to see their experiences

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as positive and that's what sherry wilde

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is getting at

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in describing these other ets these

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other beings that are perhaps less

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mature

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there is a full spectrum here people

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just like there is in humanity

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and the animal kingdom we shouldn't

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that said again the majority of people's

633
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,919
experiences

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are positive in the long run even though

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00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,360
initially

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they are deeply traumatic for the very

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reasons we've just described

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now in conclusion i'd like to share a

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few additional thoughts that come to

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mind

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in light of experiences like that of

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00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,840
sherry wilde

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number one we seem to demand that

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reality live up to our conceptions

645
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,039
and expectations of it when the data

646
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,039
clearly points in new directions

647
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as is the case with the ufo phenomenon

648
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and the abduction

649
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contact phenomenon often because it

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involves complexity

651
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,400
we simply look away as a culture as a

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00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,760
civilization

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or conclude that the data must be wrong

654
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all that is to say there is more

655
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consensus and cohesion

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00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,600
to the narrative emerging from the

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experiencer community as a whole

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00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,000
than many people are willing to admit

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and speaking of part of the consensus

660
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,840
message coming out of the experiencer

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00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,480
community

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and sherry wilde discusses this as well

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there does seem to be

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added intervention that came online at

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the dawn of the atomic era

666
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this was a much more significant and

667
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,279
potentially catastrophic

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00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:38,080
time in civilization than many people

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00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:38,720
realize

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as we proceed with our day-to-day lives

671
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and our day-to-day needs with our

672
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,720
families and our jobs and whatnot we

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sometimes

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00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,679
seem to be asleep at the wheel in terms

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of how close we have come to

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annihilation

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whether that has been nuclear weapons in

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the past and still today

679
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or the onset of things like bioweapons

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which is more recent

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in other words this helps to explain the

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uptick in the intervention

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in the lives of human beings by these

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others

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and one final reflection of a personal

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nature that i'd like to share

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the impending singularity that is coming

688
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as well as the deeply profound

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philosophical questions emerging around

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00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,960
the nature of life and being

691
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that we're about to be confronted with

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are potentially civilization

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00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,760
ending events if not dealt with with a

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greater degree of wisdom than we've thus

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00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:38,080
far

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00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,840
shown up until now i've been content to

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let the natural process

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of consciousness evolution as described

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00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,760
in the podcast episode i did

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on spiral dynamics for instance to take

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its course

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but more recently i feel like it's been

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impressed upon me that the tipping point

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we're reaching

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is far more significant than many of us

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00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,320
realize

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perhaps every generation comes to see

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itself

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00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,240
as living in times of great import when

710
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the very future of the human

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00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,120
race is at stake that feeling is

712
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:14,640
certainly no different for

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00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,919
us but perhaps this time it really is

714
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different

715
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perhaps that's exactly why the others

716
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have upped their level of contact

717
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,640
and intervention within our lifetimes

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based on their clear technological and

719
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,000
more importantly

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consciousness superiority over us we

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would do well

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and on that note we've come to the close

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of another edition

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of the point of convergence podcast

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let's keep the conversation going

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and growing please share this show with

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others you think would be interested

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but until next time from deep within the